Episode 8

Thinking Better with Mental Models

Published on: 20th July, 2022

It's been a minute since I last hit publish on a podcast episode, but I'm happy to be back!

This recording is actually from a Twitter space that I hosted on mental models and frameworks in preparation for an Innospiration newsletter (subscribe here to receive future curations and access the archive!).

I loved the discussion so much that I decided to share this wonderful content-packed audio here. This may be part of a new release model along with more traditionally produced episodes.

I share quite a bit about the benefit and purpose of mental models and frameworks, why they are essential in understanding and shifting our perspective, and give a bunch of examples that inspire deeper analysis about the way that we think!

My friend and talented coach Fabiola Segovia also shares a thorough walkthrough of a fascinating detailed coaching energetics framework that she uses in her practice that you can immediately apply after listening to this episode.

Contributor:

Fabiola Segovia - Certified Business Coach

Framework Contribution (visual reference) : Energetic Self-Perception Chart

Fabiola uses this particular framework in assessments with clients and is certified in this methodology. Check out more of her offerings here.

Relevant updates and resources:

Innospiration 10 - Thinking Better with Mental Models - newsletter & resources on mental models

Everyday Innovation Galaxy Community (free!)

P.S. Quick update not in the episode - I'm 6 months pregnant!

Transcript
Jordan:

Hello, and welcome back to the everyday innovation podcast.

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I'm Jordan It's been a little while since I last released a podcast,

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but this one, this one recording, I had to share with you all.

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This is actually from a Twitter space.

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And I just loved the content of this so much that I felt this

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needed to go in the podcast.

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So this may be my new way of releasing.

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There may be some that are in studio and there's going to

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be some that are in spaces.

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I just wanted to preface.

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I love this topic.

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This is mental models and frameworks.

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I wish I could have gone a million miles deeper on this, but there's a whole lot.

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That's packed into this episode.

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And coming up, there is a whole mental model framework that I've

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been working on over the last year.

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Um, that will be detailed out in a series that's going through September.

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You can find that on everyday innovation.io.

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If you subscribe to get the newsletter, you can also go and galaxy dot every

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day, innovation.io to join our community.

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And of course, follow me on all the social media I'm at Jordan

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Anyway, I hope that you enjoy this.

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I have a friend that joins us to share a little bit about a coaching mental model

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that she loves and uses in her practice.

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Fabiola Segovia is her name.

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Make sure to check the show notes and I hope that you enjoy this recording.

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Hello, Twitter friends for the purpose of this recording, and to allow

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for a couple more people to join.

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I'm going go ahead and quickly introduce myself, a little bit about what mental

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models and frameworks are to give some context, and why I'm talking

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about this particular topic now, as it relates to everyday innovation.

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So my name is Jordan Divecha and I'm a tech founder, venture advisor,

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and multi passionate creator with a platform, everyday Innovation, made

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to connect creator entrepreneurs that value high- signal venture and self-

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development, resources, connection, and strategy mixed in with a little fun.

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I love to create and curate timeless topics that bridge across industries,

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areas of life, especially in the Everyday Innovation newsletter.

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So, covering mental models and frameworks is pretty much a no brainer as it

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threads connections between brain, strategy, ventures, impact decisions,

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and really just our daily lives.

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And because mental models are really universal because we have brains and

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we think as humans, we can learn from one another and share that connection.

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So anything that we talk about today will be featured in the

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next, in innospiration curation.

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So innovation- inspiration- creation newsletter, which is coming out next week.

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So if you are listening after.

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You can go to, everyday innovation.io or on the circle community, galaxy . everyday

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innovation.io to listen to this, or you can also check out the newsletter,

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whether it's come out before, after, if you don't get it in your email inbox,

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and you're listening to this a little bit later, you could actually subscribe

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and then access it after the fact- so you can access the full archive.

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What are mental models?

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Mental models are really how we understand the world.

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Not only do they shape what we think and how we understand, they shape the

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connections and opportunities that we see, mental models really are how we simplify

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complexity, why we consider certain things over others, and how we problem-solve.

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A mental model is really a representation of how something works.

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We can't keep all the details in our brains, right?

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So we use models to simplify the complex into understandable

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and organizable chunks.

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Learning to think better is a huge piece of how we can navigate the world

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in a more 3D, 5D, 7D kind of way.

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The quality of our thinking is proportional to the models in our head

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and the usefulness of the situation at hand, the more models you have, the bigger

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your toolbox, the more likely you are to have the right models to see reality.

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And if you can bridge that across different disciplines, if you can

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get curious and learn from others and their mental models, from their

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expertise, that's how you can make great decisions because variety does matter.

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Most of us are specialists.

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Instead of having a great lattice work of mental models, we have

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a few from our discipline.

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We see something different.

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, I'll give you some examples.

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An engineer might think in systems, psychologists might think

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in terms of incentives, right?

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Behavioral incentives.

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Biologists, evolution.

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And when we start putting these disciplines together in our head,

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we can learn a lot from one another and we can walk around a problem

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in a way where we can see it from all different kinds of angles.

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That's where our perspective shift happens.

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And we can also identify any blind spots we have.

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Those blind spots are the things really that can block innovation.

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I'm gonna give you another example that I love.

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This is from an FS blog report.

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When a botanist looks at a forest, they may focus on the ecosystem.

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An environmentalist might see the impact of climate change.

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A forestry engineer might see the state of tree growth.

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A business person might see the value of the land.

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Nobody's wrong, but none of them are really able to describe

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the full scope of the forest.

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Being able to share this knowledge, learning the basics of other disciplines,

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would lead to a more well-rounded understanding that would allow for

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better decisions about managing a forest.

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So really when we're thinking of building our toolbox- sometimes that's tech,

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sometimes that's people in our community, and sometimes it's mental models.

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When we look at the events of our world, we look at patterns of behavior,

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we look at the structure of a system.

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Mental models are really the why, the reason why we have this

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kind of structural architecture in the way that we think.

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And that's something that we share as humans, and that's

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what creates our culture.

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So getting a little meta to observe them and consciously choose them is

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like choosing your OS for your system.

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You're able to really look at the decisions that you're making, combine many

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different disciplines, ways of thinking, and approach a problem in a new way.

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So why am I talking about this now?

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Basically.

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There is a newsletter coming out that will be covering this, but it really does

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highlight the foundational aspects of anything in every day innovation, right?

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The way that we see the world in many different areas is the way

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that we approach, we innovate, we create in our unique way.

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So it's something that will always underlie most of the content that I

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create anyway, and coming up, I am working on an OS system that will work as a

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mental model, an architecture framework, for you to design strategy within.

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So this is a really great introduction into some things that

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I'm working on, but I wanna talk more about some mental models.

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I see in here, I have Fabiola who is a wonderful business and life coach.

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I'll share some after as well.

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We'll go back and forth, but I really want to bring her up and have her

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share what she uses in her business.

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Awesome.

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Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me here today.

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I'm excited.

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So one of the tools, that's a tool that I was trained on when I got certified

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as a certified professional coach, this energetic self-perception chart.

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And what it does is it really simplifies how we use our mind, how we see life.

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And so it is broken down into seven different levels and broken down into

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seven different ways the mind will go.

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So first it'll be a thought, and then your thought's going to create

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an emotion, and then based on that emotion, it's gonna affect your results.

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And I love sharing this with all of my clients, whether it's through

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one, on one or group, everybody who works with me, it's not an option.

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We go through it because it really, especially for those who are more

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logical or who need evidence to level up, understand, like, how do

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I understand this new concept or how do I change this personality trait?

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Or how do I become better?

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A lot of times it's because we're stuck in a specific perspective.

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And when we see these seven different perspectives, we then see,

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oh, I've been playing this role.

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And so at the bottom of.

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Seven levels.

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It's the victim mindset and it goes down to like different types of energies.

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And when I say energies, I don't mean ooh, like magic.

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Let's just, I'm talking about like actual energy that you use.

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Everybody uses energy.

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Like right now I'm using energy to hold my phone.

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I'm talking, you're talking, you're moving that type of energy.

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And so we're creating energy all the time.

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And based on our thoughts and feelings, there are two different

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types of energies and it's either catabolic energy or anabolic.

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Now, when I first learned this, first of all, I was never a science wizard.

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it was one that's like my weakness.

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I never did well with science.

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So I didn't know these two different terms, but people who are very

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familiar with science or especially if you have studied medicine.

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There are actually hormones that we create too, as well in our body.

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So catabolic hormones, they basically are the deteriorating hormones.

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And then anabolic hormones are the growth orientated hormones, which is

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cool because as you're understanding this, you're like, oh really?

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And you Google it and you look it up and it's, that's what it is.

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And so catabolic hormones are gonna be like adrenaline, cortisol.

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Like those.

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Those hormones that are released when you're like, "oh my God, I

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need to-- this is due tomorrow.

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I need to get that done."

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Or, "oh my God I pro I'm procrastinating" or, "oh my God".

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So a lot of times we're functioning like that, but we don't realize when

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we're real, when we're releasing those types of hormones, what it

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does to not only our mind, but to our body and to the results we have.

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And I love this energetic self-perception chart because not only does it show you

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the first two levels are catabolic levels and then three to seven is anabolic.

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And so right away as when a person sees this, they naturally just

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want to scale to different level.

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Because it's not anything that's super "woo".

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It's like very practical, very oh, this makes sense.

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And this was actually created off the scale of consciousness from Dr.

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David Hawkins, he has passed, but he wrote so many amazing books

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and he was able to study how thoughts, emotions, and feelings.

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How they connected with our body, with kinesiology, with vibrations.

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Like he's the person who came up with that whole terminology.

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And so I always love to weave that into my programs because if you're

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new to the personal development space or you're new to, okay.

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I wanna change a lot of times.

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You don't know these things, you didn't hear about these things growing up.

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And so learning about this kinda is the doorway to getting to that other side of

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" oh, okay, wait, this is possible for me".

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"I, I just thought it was impossible because I realized I had a limited belief.

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I didn't even know what that was, but now I see this and this".

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And so things just start to make sense.

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And then people from there.

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They can decide how they wanna go.

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" Oh, I wanna become more confident" or "I wanna become more this or more that".

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So it's like a guide to your consciousness.

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I just posted a tweet that was a reply thread to mine.

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That actually has the little visual.

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If you'd do you wanna walk through it?

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Really quickly and see, just since I have a little visual there.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So if people are listening later, they could check it out.

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You can walk through it.

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Just so if somebody's looking through it, sometimes it's nice to have

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somebody who's knowledgeable about it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Oh my God.

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Thank you for posting it.

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So when you first see this chart, I remember the first time I saw it, I was.

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What this is, how am I gonna read this?

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We read from top to bottom, left to right.

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So the first thing you wanna look at is the center where it says self, and

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you're gonna read it from one to seven, if you see them in the colored dots.

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So those are the different levels.

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So, level one and level two, those are the catabolic energies that

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I mentioned, level 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.

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Those are the anabolic energies.

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And it's crazy because it's, I don't wanna say oh, your thoughts are creating

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these types of hormones, but really, when you're in level one and level two,

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and you're the victim or you're angry and you're having all this adrenaline

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released, well, it's happening.

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So anyway, so level one, the core thought is a victim.

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So you can take, and another thing I forgot to mention when you're looking at

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this chart, you can take any situation.

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And you can take it through those different levels of consciousness.

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And you'll put your hand on your face.

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Oh, I was looking at it like this and it just opens your mind.

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So we're gonna use one example.

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Let's say that I text you Jordan and I call you and you don't answer.

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And then I start thinking " I don't know.

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I don't think Jordan cares about me".

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Like maybe she's just not a good friend.

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And then I see you post something online.

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And then I'm just like having a pity party.

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And so then my feelings are gonna be, I'm gonna be sad.

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I'm gonna feel like, just a lot of like apathy, just not good.

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And then the results from that is, it's lethargic.

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I'm just gonna not be in the mood for anything, nothing.

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And so in, within those circles, I don't know if you can see there's the

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uh, the self, then there's a, like a, it's almost like a dark purple circle.

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And then it's a blue, and another purple circle on the way outside.

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So as the circles go out, they're getting bigger and bigger because they're, you

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wanna imagine it at like your mind?

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It little, and then it's opening and opening.

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So level one is like a lot of tunnel vision.

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There's a lot of ego, as you can see there in the chart, there's

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a lot of there's no faith at all.

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You are pretty much like an unconscious person.

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You're not even, I'm not even aware that I'm saying these things.

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And very needy, meaning I need others to fulfill me rather

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than me doing it for myself.

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And so right there, I'm just like the victim.

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And I'm maybe telling other friends like, "oh sh I, I just don't know.

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She just doesn't care about me."

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and I'm just being the victim.

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And then level two is where you move from victim to conflict.

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So here is where the core thought would be to that example would be.

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I don't know, I'm just like angry.

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Like why is she doing that?

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I did this for her and I did that for her.

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And so the feeling would be anger.

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And so this is where I start getting angry.

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And then the results is where I start taking action.

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But then the action is gonna be from like defiance and be like,

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oh, I'm gonna unfollow her, I'm gonna delete her on Facebook, or

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I'm gonna just not talk to her.

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And then level three is where you start taking responsibility.

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That's the core thought.

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And so this is where you, instead of thinking, like "I'm sad or I'm

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mad", you start saying, okay, I'm gonna take some responsibility,

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maybe she's just busy with something.

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Maybe she's working really hard at her business.

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And it is like during the weekday and maybe she's, doing that.

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Okay.

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And the core feeling would be forgiveness and then action would be cooperation.

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So this is where I am not being like quiet with you, or being angry, or deleting you.

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I would talk to you or not come from that angry or victim mindset.

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And then level four is the core thought is concern.

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This is where I start having that perspective of concern for life,

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where I really start to be like a humanitarian and I see that happen.

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And then I'm like, "you know what?

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Maybe she's just busy, maybe, I need to just give my time to X community,

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or maybe I wanna volunteer here or maybe I wanna do a, a free master

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class to give back to the community or maybe I wanna do, there's just at

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some level of like kind of community".

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And so the core feeling is compassion.

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So here I'm tapped into compassion.

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and then the results are gonna be acts of service.

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So this is where let's say I go actually volunteer at a local

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community that, lights my heart up, or maybe I'm giving back in some way.

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I'm doing something to help the community.

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I'm doing something to help others.

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And then level five, the core thought is reconciliation.

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And so at this level, this is where things really start to shift.

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And I'm if this situation were to happen, I wouldn't even let it get

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to that place of anger or sadness.

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I would just understand that, she's an adult.

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She has her life.

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I have my life.

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I have things that I have to do.

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Oh, what do I have to do?

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Oh, I'm gonna, focus on this in my life.

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Oh, I'm focusing on these goals or, oh, I'm focusing on my own habits or, oh,

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I'm focusing on all this inner work.

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And so the core feeling is peace.

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And so at this level I'm radiating a lot of peace and the results are

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gonna be a level of acceptance.

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So that's where, I'm not gonna be angry about the situation or sad "oh,

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Jordan", this, and I'm not gonna delete her or, one friend her or anything like

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that, I'm going to accept oh, this is just, for whatever reason, she can't

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respond to my text or my phone call.

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And there's probably a good reason for it.

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And I'm gonna be focusing on other things in my life.

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And then level six, the core thought is synthesis.

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So this is where you really start to see things as "I am one with everything.

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And you know what I am one with Jordan, has there been a time

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when someone has called me or text me and I wasn't able to answer?

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Yeah.

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Okay".

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And my feelings are gonna be at a level of joy.

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And at this point, the results, a lot of the results that I'm

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taking is from a place of wisdom.

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And at this level, this is where you start to naturally inspire everybody around you.

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A lot of times when people want to start working on themselves

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and they want to help others, or they want to inspire others, the

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best way to inspire others is to.

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Work on yourself.

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It so that when you get to this type of level, it just naturally happens.

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And people are now coming to you asking oh, fab what are you doing?

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I've just noticed this and this about you and this and that.

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And then level seven.

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, this is a level that nobody lives at all the time.

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If you were then you'd be just like, I don't know some angel or maybe Jesus.

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But this is a level that everybody can tap into.

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So the core thought is nonjudgment.

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So this is where you tap into the thought of there's time is an illusion.

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Money is illusion IST, an illusion.

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Everything's an illusion.

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Like nothing is good or bad.

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It just is.

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It only is good or bad when I judge it.

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so there's no judgment here.

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And the feeling is absolute passion.

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And when you're tapped into, when you're not judging anything or as bad or good,

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or putting all these labels, this is where you tapped into the absolute passion.

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And when you're tapped into your absolute passion, this is where you

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tap into that inner creative genius.

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So this is how the iPhone was created.

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This is how all of these amazing things that came into life that wasn't here

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without a without it being created, like it didn't come from the earth.

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This is how people tapped into that.

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They were able to tap into their inner genius and then the results

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is they create such amazing.

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Things in life.

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And so I like to call this as the "unicorn feels", whenever I tap into

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this or it's like the unicorn oh my God, I'm gonna I'm so excited.

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I feel like throwing up, like I'm unicorn type of feels and

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it's where you just feel so good.

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Like really good, like absolutely good.

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And this is something that everybody can tap into, but if we're all the

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way at the bottom and we're being the victim to a specific scenario, how are

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we gonna tap into our creative genius?

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If we are giving all of our energy To something that is so little, right.

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And we're not opening our minds.

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We're not, we're putting so much judgment and labels onto something,

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we're not expanding our mind.

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And so this is why a lot of times, if somebody is constantly complaining or

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they're constantly upset about their life, and yet they're not doing anything

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about it, they're just pretty much living at the level of a victim because

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they're just constantly telling others like, "oh, this is happening to me.

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That's happening to me".

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And it's not to like, even judge that person.

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It's just that maybe they don't even realize they're on like a negative loop.

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Sometimes people can be on these loops because maybe they learn these behaviors

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from their parents or grandparents, their teachers, a best friend, a partner, and,

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growing up the truth is we, our parents didn't have this, these resources, our

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grandparents didn't have these resources.

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We didn't, we're just now getting to a place where we're really

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waking up to history, waking up to thought, waking up to, oh, saying

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that isn't inappropriate or, oh yeah.

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Joking like that.

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Oh, I didn't realize that.

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I always heard that through here.

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So I thought it was okay.

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We're now becoming very aware.

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So if you are listening to this and you see this chart and you're

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like, oh my God, I've been here.

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Don't judge yourself.

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You have to give yourself a lot of grace.

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Because, hello.

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You're, you've just discovered it.

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You didn't know this before and, now, that's the most important thing.

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And another thing that I hear a lot from like clients, or like people, whenever

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they discover this, they're like they immediately start, labeling the people

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in their lives that are like that.

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And the thing is.

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When we do that, we're not seeing it from a level of compassion.

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We're not seeing, we're expect, we're seeing them from a level

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of they need to be perfect.

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And the truth is nobody's born perfect.

Fabiola:

Like we're being brought up in this world with all these rules, all these

Fabiola:

society expectations, but nobody's telling us, the negative results

Fabiola:

of thinking and being this way.

Fabiola:

It's almost like mental dysfunction.

Fabiola:

And so we have to really have compassion for those people, because guess what?

Fabiola:

Once upon a time we were those people, we were those people.

Fabiola:

So unless you knew this information from the minute you were like, I

Fabiola:

don't know, born, and your parents are telling you this and, okay.

Fabiola:

But that no one's been brought up like that.

Fabiola:

So we have to have compassion for others.

Jordan:

Thank you so much.

Jordan:

That's actually a really beautiful walkthrough of.

Jordan:

This model, and this is why I love mental models too.

Jordan:

It may feel like a little meta at times to look through these things.

Jordan:

But the truth is that's how we have evolved as humans, right?

Jordan:

Like we've evolved out of this kind of need for the things that are very

Jordan:

natural to us to survive, to to be in that victim mode, we really were

Jordan:

victims of predators of other things.

Jordan:

And we evolve over time and we start to learn more about ourselves,

Jordan:

about the world, about each other.

Jordan:

And as we build, our big.

Jordan:

Collective knowledge bank of studying, life in and of itself.

Jordan:

We get to, again, start to look at things with a little bit more detachment.

Jordan:

When you see a lot of this, you get to see even across different

Jordan:

types of mental models and different disciplines you get to see.

Jordan:

Wow.

Jordan:

Okay.

Jordan:

That's something that I've subscribed to.

Jordan:

That's something that.

Jordan:

Applied in my life.

Jordan:

That's a business strategy that I've applied.

Jordan:

Business strategies are just as much mental models as the scientific method,

Jordan:

as math, as the, psychological behavioral models, all of these things are just

Jordan:

a product of us putting together and making sense of life in the world.

Jordan:

So what I love so going back to yours I have this giant, collection

Jordan:

of mental models that I have, and I just had them here also just to, to

Jordan:

reference, but we're, what it reminded me of was little things that we have

Jordan:

that are part of our human instincts.

Jordan:

So we have things like.

Jordan:

Tendency to over generalize from small samples, we have.

Jordan:

The tendency to overestimate consistency of behavioral, the

Jordan:

fundamental attribution error.

Jordan:

So when you were saying, oh, Jordan must not like me because

Jordan:

she didn't answer my text.

Jordan:

Oh my gosh.

Jordan:

She like posted something.

Jordan:

A lot of times what we'll do in our relationships with others is we tend

Jordan:

to apply it to their character as opposed to applying it to the situation.

Jordan:

And for ourselves, we tend to apply much more to the

Jordan:

situation than to our character.

Jordan:

So what happens is a lot of misunderstandings, a lot of disconnection

Jordan:

between us and others and ability to, negatively affects the impact we have on

Jordan:

the world when we're thinking in these sorts of ways, because we're not giving

Jordan:

other people, the grace and ourselves, the grace to say that these are things that we

Jordan:

do, these are the things we do as humans.

Jordan:

When we're looking at it from a more detached, more quote, unquote meta

Jordan:

perspective, floating a little bit above you start to see all the moving parts.

Jordan:

You start to be a little bit more compassionate and you also get to see

Jordan:

This is just how the world works.

Jordan:

It's not really personal.

Jordan:

And the thing is some of the time we're gonna be wrong as well.

Jordan:

There's gonna be things that happen in other people's lives.

Jordan:

They have an entire other story.

Jordan:

That for better or worse, doesn't always involve you.

Jordan:

And it could be something so innocent, so completely, off the wall, they

Jordan:

wouldn't have had any sort of idea.

Jordan:

They had their phone on do not disturb and did not even see it.

Jordan:

And it's the things that cause this mind, drama that take away from our potential

Jordan:

creativity, like at those higher levels and impact because we're getting stuck.

Jordan:

But yes, I.

Jordan:

I absolutely love this.

Jordan:

And I'm just like even looking through and getting like nerding out on some

Jordan:

of it too, because there are a lot of models in biology that do support a

Jordan:

lot of the flight, or like when you're getting into these lower levels, the

Jordan:

flight or flight of mental model of how the body works and then putting kind

Jordan:

of a mental structure around that so that we can start to understand if we

Jordan:

understand how that works through a mental

Jordan:

model.

Jordan:

or Is there something.

Jordan:

That I've been believing for a long time that maybe isn't completely true.

Jordan:

One of the main things I think we see a lot is like confirmation bias, right?

Jordan:

What a man wishes.

Jordan:

He also believes sometimes what we believe, what we choose to see.

Jordan:

So sometimes, those deeply ingrained mental habits, the energy

Jordan:

conserving and comfortable things look for confirmations of your long

Jordan:

held wisdom rather than actual.

Jordan:

Violations of it or actual evidence of it.

Jordan:

And then the opposite of that is really going through a process of saying okay,

Jordan:

I have a hypothesis, I'm gonna test it.

Jordan:

I'm going to, really make sure that this is true.

Jordan:

Like testing, limiting beliefs, for example, doesn't always have

Jordan:

to be the scientific method.

Jordan:

It could be testing or limiting beliefs.

Jordan:

It's to root out what it actually is, as opposed to just something

Jordan:

that already feels very comfortable and true to us that may not be true.

Jordan:

There are so many things that , that kind of fall, fall under this

Jordan:

I'll pass it back to ologists.

Jordan:

We can continue this conversation.

Jordan:

Cause I think it is helpful across different areas.

Jordan:

Do you notice that there are a lot of people who.

Jordan:

In different areas of life, like maybe are experiencing things on different levels or

Jordan:

they're having, like, how do you address them to move up through the levels?

Jordan:

Other than just observation, like what are some other practices that you've given

Jordan:

people to not only just become more aware, but move through these different spaces.

Fabiola:

so there is an energetic self-perception

Fabiola:

assessment that people can do.

Fabiola:

And sometimes when they do

Fabiola:

that it's, it's, it's cool because it's not a test, a lot of these

Fabiola:

Myer Briggs or all these tests.

Fabiola:

They're.

Fabiola:

Their tests.

Fabiola:

And an assessment is just it's almost like a snapshot of where you are currently.

Fabiola:

So if someone were to do that, we'll have, they answer very specific

Fabiola:

questions and it's, it gives you pretty much where you're resonating

Fabiola:

at with the different levels.

Fabiola:

And then from there, and I've done this myself, it was like a requirement

Fabiola:

as I was getting certified with this.

Fabiola:

I realized that I had a lot of with my reactions with level one energy.

Fabiola:

And I was like, what?

Fabiola:

and I was resonating at a level six just for, in terms of energy.

Fabiola:

And I took this back in the first time back in 2018.

Fabiola:

And mind you, I was in my late twenties and.

Fabiola:

I thought it would be worse because at that point I still wasn't.

Fabiola:

My self talk and my self expectation was low and now it's changed now.

Fabiola:

I'm like, oh yeah, of course it was that.

Fabiola:

And a lot of times what we'll do with clients is we'll have

Fabiola:

them look at the results.

Fabiola:

And a lot of times it is stuff that it, they are caring from

Fabiola:

their bag, their baggage.

Fabiola:

And a lot of times it's something from childhood.

Fabiola:

It's something maybe they experience with a first boss.

Fabiola:

And so it's something that we can work in coaching.

Fabiola:

And if it's something where I feel that it's very heavy and when I say like heavy,

Fabiola:

that means they need to work with a, the.

Fabiola:

We'll, I'll direct them in that direction.

Fabiola:

Let's say there was like an intense level of trauma and I'm not equipped to

Fabiola:

let's say do EMDR therapy or, so many of the different therapy modalities

Fabiola:

that are available will do that.

Fabiola:

But a lot of times it's just, if it's not something that's really heavy,

Fabiola:

a lot of times it's just a shift.

Fabiola:

and clients are the ones that figure out the shifts.

Fabiola:

Cause coaches are not meant to tell you what to do.

Fabiola:

That is consulting a coach's job is to guide you to your inner coach.

Fabiola:

And so we're pretty much like pulling out all the information from you.

Fabiola:

And once a person has that perspective, or even just awareness of oh, I'm resonating

Fabiola:

here or at this level, They will see.

Fabiola:

I'll ask them specific questions.

Fabiola:

Was there ever a time where you experienced this or that?

Fabiola:

And sometimes it'll be like, I've had a client once who said, oh yeah.

Fabiola:

My first boss told me that.

Fabiola:

This and this.

Fabiola:

And so then she was able to come up with a solution of, oh, cuz I always

Fabiola:

ask people, I never subscribe people of medicine and when I say medicine, I don't

Fabiola:

mean actual medicine, but like modalities that are gonna help them to shift.

Fabiola:

I always ask people.

Fabiola:

What do you think would help you remember this new way of

Fabiola:

being or, what's gonna help you?

Fabiola:

And she said that she was gonna come up with a list and write it down and put it

Fabiola:

in her bathroom, or, do all these things.

Fabiola:

She started like coming up with all these things.

Fabiola:

But it was amazing because she tapped into that level seven that

Fabiola:

creative of oh my God, I'm gonna do this and this and this and this.

Fabiola:

And guess.

Fabiola:

she knows it's gonna work for her because that's what her mind is telling her.

Fabiola:

I'm, I haven't been living inside her mind all her life.

Fabiola:

And so I'm just there as a guide.

Fabiola:

And so it's really cool because.

Fabiola:

I can't say that there's one way that works for most people,

Fabiola:

we're all different, right?

Fabiola:

Like we all, don't like the same food.

Fabiola:

We all, don't like the same music.

Fabiola:

Sometimes we go through seasons of listening to different music

Fabiola:

or activities that we wanna do, or even foods we wanna eat.

Fabiola:

It's the same thing.

Fabiola:

And really guiding people to see, okay, that you don't wanna react like this.

Fabiola:

Like what's gonna help you remember to not be like that, or what's gonna help

Fabiola:

you to shift into this new perspective.

Fabiola:

And so just from there, it just then depends on the client.

Fabiola:

If it's something that it just happens, it's like an easy fix.

Fabiola:

I don't even wanna say fix, but an easy shift there, you.

Fabiola:

Because we don't need fixing, it's just shifting.

Fabiola:

It's just an easy shift.

Fabiola:

And then sometimes it's a little extra work, but maybe because they've been

Fabiola:

walking around with that negative programming since they were a kid,

Fabiola:

but if it was something that they learned a year ago, two years ago

Fabiola:

or something that they can easily let go of, then boom, you're done.

Jordan:

Yeah, absolutely.

Jordan:

That makes complete sense.

Jordan:

And the truth is yes, everyone is completely different.

Jordan:

And that's why, again, when you take it to this level, you get beyond just the

Jordan:

systems and you get to the architecture of how you approach a problem.

Jordan:

And that's what I do believe a lot of coaches do.

Jordan:

You allow to, you put a little bit of structured architecture around the process

Jordan:

of solving a problem, but then really the design of the strategy, the design

Jordan:

of the systems come from the individual because really that's the only bespoke

Jordan:

thing we can do is create our own.

Jordan:

And that's really the beauty of having some things in your toolbox

Jordan:

that you can use to structure your strategy, cuz sometimes being strategic

Jordan:

and solving your problem can be incredibly hard and that's why we

Jordan:

need sometimes other people and other references just to get things started.

Jordan:

That's why even other types of systems or architectures like even

Jordan:

astrology or anything along that stoicism, like a philosophy can help.

Jordan:

Give some, give a little bit of shape to the way we start to make some decisions.

Jordan:

And then when things don't necessarily align anymore or don't

Jordan:

resonate, you can always pivot.

Jordan:

And yeah.

Jordan:

So I wanna, I'm gonna keep this to just a couple more minutes and

Jordan:

I'm gonna be sharing a whole bunch more mental models, resources, but

Jordan:

I'm just gonna stop with a few.

Jordan:

Or close out with a few things from a couple of different areas.

Jordan:

And then, I'll be sharing definitely a whole lot more in ways that

Jordan:

you can discover more of them.

Jordan:

But part of the core mental models, what, there's a whole bunch of them, but.

Jordan:

Just to give some examples.

Jordan:

Even the idea of a thought experiment is a mental model.

Jordan:

So these are the things, the devices in the imagination used to

Jordan:

investigate the nature of things.

Jordan:

If you've ever done a thought experiment, those are the fun things where you

Jordan:

can get out of your own brain and say, what if I were that person?

Jordan:

Or what if we did it this way, it doesn't have to actually exist in real life, which

Jordan:

is the amazing thing about visualization.

Jordan:

It could exist and it, you can make it exist at some point, but you

Jordan:

can visualize different outcomes and use it in a positive way to.

Jordan:

It's make a decision, right?

Jordan:

You can explore different pathways and then work from there.

Jordan:

So thought an actual thought experiment.

Jordan:

mental model.

Jordan:

Other things like first principle thinking the way, one of the best ways to reverse

Jordan:

engineer, complicated situations and your creative possibility is to take something

Jordan:

that is more complex and break it down into the reasoning of first principles.

Jordan:

So the underlying ideas, the underlying facts and assumptions based on them,

Jordan:

all the essentials that are there, you can take it and either remake it

Jordan:

and innovate into something new, or you can just break it down to better

Jordan:

understand it as you're learning.

Jordan:

So that's another major one that we all use that maybe you

Jordan:

haven't necessarily put a name to.

Jordan:

Even relativity the theory relativity is a mental model from physics and chemistry.

Jordan:

We don't necessarily think of things that we study as mental models, but

Jordan:

that's exactly what we're doing is we're studying how to understand the world.

Jordan:

We're studying how to understand gravity, understand thermodynamics, inertia,

Jordan:

friction, velocity, leverage, and a lot of these things what's really interesting is

Jordan:

terms that we use across from, things that we have mental models about in mathematics

Jordan:

or in biology show up in marketing, right?

Jordan:

or in the way we communicate with one another, because they're such essential

Jordan:

pieces to the way we experience our world, that we use them in different areas.

Jordan:

So leverage is part of engineering, right?

Jordan:

Give me a lever long enough and I shall move the world.

Jordan:

It's a small amount of input force.

Jordan:

We can make a great output force through leverage.

Jordan:

What does that mean for physicality?

Jordan:

That's just knowing what, how you can take something and use the littlest

Jordan:

amount to move something much larger understanding physics, but then it's

Jordan:

also understanding energetic output of when you're working on your business,

Jordan:

when you're working your life and making decisions, taking something that is high

Jordan:

value something that could be in flow for you and creating a larger impact by being

Jordan:

able to leverage your strengths, leverage your energy, leverage your resources, so

Jordan:

what's really cool is as you learn from these different spaces, you can take.

Jordan:

The underlying principles and apply them to new problems.

Jordan:

So sometimes taking something from biology, for example, just

Jordan:

pick one out like incentives.

Jordan:

Incentives are actually biological.

Jordan:

All creatures respond to incentives to keep themselves alive.

Jordan:

It's a basic insight of biology.

Jordan:

Constant incentives will tend to cause a biological entity

Jordan:

to have a constant behavior.

Jordan:

So we're great.

Jordan:

Examples of the incentive driven nature biology, and we've taken,

Jordan:

there was somebody at some point who was saying, okay, we already have

Jordan:

this, how can we apply this into a new space and start to leverage that

Jordan:

for business or leverage that for community action and impact, right?

Jordan:

How can we mobilize a community through incentives and it can be, of course, any

Jordan:

of these things can be used for good for bad, but we're not gonna look at that.

Jordan:

We're gonna look from the very high bird's eye view, more the potential of taking

Jordan:

things and pulling them into new spaces.

Jordan:

This is, what's so beautiful about being a little bit of a generalist or being

Jordan:

a little bit multi passionate is you're able to take a lot of these mental models,

Jordan:

even whether you realize it or not.

Jordan:

You're learning it from different spaces and apply them.

Jordan:

To situations to solve problems to help your clients.

Jordan:

There's reasons why I've worked in many different industries, because I can take

Jordan:

some of the mental models and strategies.

Jordan:

That I've learned or systems that I've learned in this

Jordan:

space and applied over here.

Jordan:

And sometimes when you're very hyper focused, you can get really

Jordan:

deep in, on the mental models and the systems and strategies and

Jordan:

structures that are in your space.

Jordan:

But if you're not, taking some time to extend an arm out into these other

Jordan:

areas, you may have a blind spot in potentially solving a new type of problem

Jordan:

or innovating in a way where you can make a larger impact on your, industry.

Jordan:

That's why people take a lot of cooking metaphors farming, metaphors, and use a

Jordan:

lot of the systems and mental models from those spaces to apply to their business

Jordan:

or apply to the way they make a decision about their parenting, for example.

Jordan:

Other things, millions of other that we can look at this

Jordan:

algorithms, the algorithms that we.

Jordan:

Get frustrated at every single day really are just a blueprint, a series

Jordan:

of steps resulting in a desired outcome.

Jordan:

Lots of if then statements they're known for modern computing, but

Jordan:

they're in biological life as well.

Jordan:

Human DNA is an algorithm for building a human being, we have an algorithm

Jordan:

in our brain, the RA that will filter information for us and show us the

Jordan:

things that we need to see at a given moment, or want to see at a given moment,

Jordan:

for example like they always say if.

Jordan:

Want a new car, right?

Jordan:

You're gonna see that car everywhere, of course, because your brain is looking

Jordan:

for it and being aware of these things.

Jordan:

It doesn't mean, again, like Fabiola was saying, being aware of these.

Jordan:

There shouldn't be any sort of judgment at all because it's incredibly natural.

Jordan:

Our brain is trying to not only just protect us, but also

Jordan:

categorize our information in a way where we can be efficient.

Jordan:

We don't need to be observing everything at every human point.

Jordan:

I don't need to be observing the lamp in the corner, the book on the shelf,

Jordan:

the little noise that's outside, all of these things would be incredibly

Jordan:

overwhelming to our nervous system.

Jordan:

We're efficient.

Jordan:

We want to manage our knowledge, manage our inputs in a way that we can operate in

Jordan:

the best way we can throughout the world.

Jordan:

But at the same time, if we can help our brain, sometimes it

Jordan:

give us those perspective shifts that we can get from a coach.

Jordan:

We can get from some new mental models, we can get from an advisor.

Jordan:

A new space.

Jordan:

We can get from an expert that we hire to work on a specific aspect of our business,

Jordan:

where maybe we don't really think like them, because we haven't worked in that

Jordan:

space or gotten that experience yet we can learn from them and say, wow, okay.

Jordan:

Now I can not just leverage your knowledge, but I can leverage

Jordan:

the way that you think and start to apply that into new spaces.

Jordan:

It's really so much fun to dig into these.

Jordan:

The other piece that I just wanted to share is I shared a

Jordan:

little bit in the beginning.

Jordan:

But I am after going on a little honeymoon, baby moon, of becoming

Jordan:

back and I'm gonna be sharing a kind of more call innovate in public.

Jordan:

The innovator OS kind of system that I'm working on.

Jordan:

It's I get more of a architecture model.

Jordan:

It's gonna be served mainly through through notion.

Jordan:

And on there that's gonna include a lot of things to have in your toolbox.

Jordan:

So it's gonna be things that you can have as resources that can help you

Jordan:

design strategy, design systems to to innovate in different areas of your life,

Jordan:

especially for creator entrepreneurs.

Jordan:

So venture design life design combined can think of it in that way.

Jordan:

So this is a really great setup going into that because there

Jordan:

is a framework mental model.

Jordan:

That will be the underlying OS for that.

Jordan:

But it is very friendly to including many of these as well.

Jordan:

Including FOLA, including Fab's knowledge, anybody's knowledge that

Jordan:

wants to other experts in the field.

Jordan:

So there'll be a lot of collaboration with that as well.

Jordan:

But I am just laying that out there because if you subscribe to

Jordan:

everyday innovation.io, you'll get some updates on that as well as

Jordan:

galaxy dot everyday innovation.io.

Jordan:

I'm gonna releasing some beta things, some free things ahead of

Jordan:

time just to get some feedback.

Jordan:

So that's all gonna be happening July and on.

Jordan:

And there's gonna be a whole series of content coming out.

Jordan:

Mid-July and on.

Jordan:

Walking through a framework that will be really cool for creator innovation.

Jordan:

So if that's something that you're interested in make sure

Jordan:

that you're connected with me and thank you so much, fab.

Jordan:

Fab has a, if you're listening to this on the day of fab has a

Jordan:

midyear party come and join it.

Jordan:

It's at 1111.

Jordan:

Pacific.

Jordan:

If you missed it, just stay in touch with her.

Jordan:

She's at thriving align on Instagram and on Facebook and all the places Twitter.

Jordan:

So follow her and you'll get all the updates that are coming

Jordan:

up in her sphere for coaching.

Jordan:

And if you want to the energetic self-perception and work with her

Jordan:

on that, you can probably book a session with her on that as well.

Jordan:

Thank you so much fabiola.

Jordan:

So thank you everyone to listen to this.

Jordan:

Whenever you listen to this on whatever timeline I hope that you are having a

Jordan:

great week and we look forward to talking more about everyday innovation with you.

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